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		<title>Comment on Malware Attacks on Windows 7 by ThreatFire Blogger</title>
		<link>http://blog.threatfire.com/2009/10/malware-attacks-on-windows-7.html/comment-page-1#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>ThreatFire Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@iTinker-

No, someone like my mom doesn&#039;t have a standard &quot;line of business&quot; SRP for her computers, and I&#039;m not sure it matters. She is running ThreatFire, finds it easy to use, and is confident that she can work and play online!</description>
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<p>No, someone like my mom doesn&#8217;t have a standard &#8220;line of business&#8221; SRP for her computers, and I&#8217;m not sure it matters. She is running ThreatFire, finds it easy to use, and is confident that she can work and play online!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Zbot: Not Your Typical Malware by ThreatFire Blogger</title>
		<link>http://blog.threatfire.com/2009/11/zbot-not-your-typical-malware.html/comment-page-1#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>ThreatFire Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frank-

Thanks for your comment, we&#039;ll look further into it. But first, if we assume that most users don&#039;t run under limited accounts, and following the discussion that Vista&#039;s UAC prompts excessively, it seems more relevant to focus on commonly used account permissions and the setup that the malware targets (the content in the post). 

Btw, there are multiple ways to evade account limitations for spyware. It seems that it&#039;s just not necessary for the malware authors to implement at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank-</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment, we&#8217;ll look further into it. But first, if we assume that most users don&#8217;t run under limited accounts, and following the discussion that Vista&#8217;s UAC prompts excessively, it seems more relevant to focus on commonly used account permissions and the setup that the malware targets (the content in the post). </p>
<p>Btw, there are multiple ways to evade account limitations for spyware. It seems that it&#8217;s just not necessary for the malware authors to implement at this point.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Malware Attacks on Windows 7 by iTinker</title>
		<link>http://blog.threatfire.com/2009/10/malware-attacks-on-windows-7.html/comment-page-1#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>iTinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious, if a standard &quot;line of business&quot; Software Restriction Policy (SRP) is in place and the attacked user is non-admin is the attack successful?

SRP should prevent the user from writing where they can execute or executing where they can write, it should also block most registry writes.  This is reasonably good protection from web based attacks and protects against many hacked/cracked installs.  Does it still work in win7?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious, if a standard &#8220;line of business&#8221; Software Restriction Policy (SRP) is in place and the attacked user is non-admin is the attack successful?</p>
<p>SRP should prevent the user from writing where they can execute or executing where they can write, it should also block most registry writes.  This is reasonably good protection from web based attacks and protects against many hacked/cracked installs.  Does it still work in win7?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Zbot: Not Your Typical Malware by Frank V</title>
		<link>http://blog.threatfire.com/2009/11/zbot-not-your-typical-malware.html/comment-page-1#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does this processes differ when infection takes place on a limited user account?

A co-worker reported removing this threat from a PC that had been infected via a limited user account.  While logged on to the LU account sdra64.exe and associated registry entries were not visible.  They were visible and easily removed from the admin account however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does this processes differ when infection takes place on a limited user account?</p>
<p>A co-worker reported removing this threat from a PC that had been infected via a limited user account.  While logged on to the LU account sdra64.exe and associated registry entries were not visible.  They were visible and easily removed from the admin account however.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Malware Attacks on Windows 7 by ThreatFire Blogger</title>
		<link>http://blog.threatfire.com/2009/10/malware-attacks-on-windows-7.html/comment-page-1#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>ThreatFire Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Larry-

Good points, thanks for your comment. 

Regarding the abuse of HKCU to circumvent UAC, yes, that in part is what is going on. Nothing hidden here, you are in a position to review the behavior of the malware, because example ThreatExpert report links are included in the post for interested technical folk like you. You can look in the post for the link in &quot;Protection System FakeAv variants&quot; and you&#039;ll find the information that you may be seeking.
It is relevant because this sort of UAC evasion is mentioned on multiple &quot;underground&quot; blackhat interest forums. It sells.

And the intent of the message regarding the reported uninstall behavior was not to imply anything misleading about its behavior on Windows 7. It&#039;s the opposite. There are reports on the web that make no distinction in the malware&#039;s ability to uninstall security software per OS, so the clarification that the behavior was not observed on Win7 in the lab was made.

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Larry-</p>
<p>Good points, thanks for your comment. </p>
<p>Regarding the abuse of HKCU to circumvent UAC, yes, that in part is what is going on. Nothing hidden here, you are in a position to review the behavior of the malware, because example ThreatExpert report links are included in the post for interested technical folk like you. You can look in the post for the link in &#8220;Protection System FakeAv variants&#8221; and you&#8217;ll find the information that you may be seeking.<br />
It is relevant because this sort of UAC evasion is mentioned on multiple &#8220;underground&#8221; blackhat interest forums. It sells.</p>
<p>And the intent of the message regarding the reported uninstall behavior was not to imply anything misleading about its behavior on Windows 7. It&#8217;s the opposite. There are reports on the web that make no distinction in the malware&#8217;s ability to uninstall security software per OS, so the clarification that the behavior was not observed on Win7 in the lab was made.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Malware Attacks on Windows 7 by Larry Seltzer</title>
		<link>http://blog.threatfire.com/2009/10/malware-attacks-on-windows-7.html/comment-page-1#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Seltzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds from your description as if the program is using user keys (HKCU) and not system keys, which is why it can do all this without UAC intruding. You&#039;re in a position to see this, not us, so it would be useful for you to say if it&#039;s the case. 

Syaing &quot;It’s reported to attempt uninstall on other security products, which was not observed on lab machines&quot; is a nice way of implying that it can do more than it really can. Of course it can&#039;t uninstall your security software without either admin privileges or UAC or both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds from your description as if the program is using user keys (HKCU) and not system keys, which is why it can do all this without UAC intruding. You&#8217;re in a position to see this, not us, so it would be useful for you to say if it&#8217;s the case. </p>
<p>Syaing &#8220;It’s reported to attempt uninstall on other security products, which was not observed on lab machines&#8221; is a nice way of implying that it can do more than it really can. Of course it can&#8217;t uninstall your security software without either admin privileges or UAC or both.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Malware Attacks on Windows 7 by ThreatFire Blogger</title>
		<link>http://blog.threatfire.com/2009/10/malware-attacks-on-windows-7.html/comment-page-1#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>ThreatFire Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your interest. Agreed, it may seem like a step backwards.
You might classify this malware more in the &quot;data theft&quot; and &quot;fraud&quot; category. Users are protected from this breed of rogueware/scareware/fakeav on Windows 7 by ThreatFire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your interest. Agreed, it may seem like a step backwards.<br />
You might classify this malware more in the &#8220;data theft&#8221; and &#8220;fraud&#8221; category. Users are protected from this breed of rogueware/scareware/fakeav on Windows 7 by ThreatFire.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Malware Attacks on Windows 7 by Julien</title>
		<link>http://blog.threatfire.com/2009/10/malware-attacks-on-windows-7.html/comment-page-1#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>Julien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really seems a step backward. My main concern is why standard/limited user is still affected as we know, even on xp, that using this kind of account protects against many malware. (limit infection only, doesn&#039;t protect against data theft)

Have you test with a software restricted policy like http://mechbgon.com/srp/ ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really seems a step backward. My main concern is why standard/limited user is still affected as we know, even on xp, that using this kind of account protects against many malware. (limit infection only, doesn&#8217;t protect against data theft)</p>
<p>Have you test with a software restricted policy like <a href="http://mechbgon.com/srp/" rel="nofollow">http://mechbgon.com/srp/</a> ?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your Computer is Infected!, Probably Because of that Bredolab Attachment by ThreatFire Blogger</title>
		<link>http://blog.threatfire.com/2009/09/your-computer-is-infected-probably-because-of-that-bredolab-attachment.html/comment-page-1#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>ThreatFire Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Leinad,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sorry to see that you are having what appears to be an extra-ordinary problem. We&#039;d like to see you helped, but this blog is not our support forum. Our support guys are responsive on our forum, please post a description of the problem here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.pctools.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=59&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Leinad,</p>
<p>Sorry to see that you are having what appears to be an extra-ordinary problem. We&#39;d like to see you helped, but this blog is not our support forum. Our support guys are responsive on our forum, please post a description of the problem here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pctools.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=59" rel="nofollow">http://www.pctools.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=59</a></p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your Computer is Infected!, Probably Because of that Bredolab Attachment by leinad_elyag@windstream.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>leinad_elyag@windstream.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I installed &#039;Threatfire&#039;(free) about 2 hours ago, and set my preferences. NOW, I cannot bring up any of my programs on desktop. When I click on an icon NOTHING happens ! ! ! I cannot get into &#039;add or remove programs&#039; to remove it from my computer. I can&#039;t use any add-ons on Firefox. Anyway, can somebody show me how to get rid of Threatfire? It will NOT let me open system recovery to get to the area where I can reset my computer to a different date. HELP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I installed &#39;Threatfire&#39;(free) about 2 hours ago, and set my preferences. NOW, I cannot bring up any of my programs on desktop. When I click on an icon NOTHING happens ! ! ! I cannot get into &#39;add or remove programs&#39; to remove it from my computer. I can&#39;t use any add-ons on Firefox. Anyway, can somebody show me how to get rid of Threatfire? It will NOT let me open system recovery to get to the area where I can reset my computer to a different date. HELP</p>
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